“Everything indicates that the money flows back to Orbán from Mészáros in a legalized form.” – Péter Juhász, deputy chairman, Együtt (Together)
Translation of interview with Együtt (Together) deputy chairman Péter Juhász appearing in weekly online 168ora.hu under the title “Péter Juhász trains his sights on Orbán”.
Has District 5 run out of corruption matters?
In a normal rule-of-law state, the complaints I filed with authorities in connection with the district would have counted as clear proof. I shouldn’t have to wait for the police to start investigating and for them to determine that there are grounds for the accusation in order to file charges. The materials I submitted demonstrate in black and white: they passed ordinances that were detrimental to the local government. Only companies of friends and those belonging to their friends’ circles made out well, that is, they sold flats and shops under value. Of course I haven’t dropped those matters.
And so now Orbán is next?
Something like that. I have repeatedly told my acquaintances that I am devoting this year to Orbán, and that this theme is a priority of mine.
How could the story about Orbán’s dacha published two years ago by Krisztina Ferenczi have escaped your attention and that of the whole media?
Unfortunately, I didn’t read Krisztina’s book, although we often speak. She often mentioned the secret Hatvanpuszta residence of the prime minister’s family. She knew what she was talking about but wanted to work on it some more.
Has it been proven that Orbán actually resides in Hatvanpuszta?
Yes and no. For me it has been proven that if somebody’s dog lives there (and this is confirmed by Viktor Orbán’s official Facebook page), then its owner cannot live elsewhere. Legally, I cannot prove this before a court of law. We don’t have any video recordings of him but I think that we will within the next few days.
What are the first steps?
It is completely obvious that something isn’t right. That is why I initiated a procedure relating to his declaration of assets. It is not realistic that Orbán’s father buys something which Lőrinc Mészáros [mayor of Felcsút and a close “business associate of Orbán] rents, and the prime minister uses. Everything indicates that the money flows back to Orbán from Mészáros in a legalized form.
Can you prove that Orbán uses the property?
Not to a court. But commonsense dictates this. Mészáros spent many tens of millions on the property and renovating the buildings which, according to my knowledge, Anikó Lévai [the prime minister’s wife] supervised. We’ve learned from locals that [she] regularly showed up while renovations to the property were under way to inspect the work. I believe the people who live there. Unfortunately, they dare not testify. If they were protected and needn’t fear retribution, then they could tell the truth and what I’ve heard could be proven. For me as a politician that would be enough to launch an investigation into [the prime minister’s] declaration of assets.
What is the second step?
I don’t think in terms of steps but investigate matters. Two months ago it was reported that Lőrinc Mészáros had purchased the territory where Orbán’s father’s mines can be found, but that Győző Orbán [the father] retained the mining rights. From this it is perfectly clear that the gaspipe fitter [Mészáros] was buying something which had no value. If it can be proven that the money originates from a crime, then this would be a typical kind of money laundering. And if a transaction took place between two companies, then that constitutes fraud. At the same time, if Lőrinc Mészáros paid a lot of money on behalf of his company for something valueless, then from the point of view of his company he committed fraud. Obviously by signing the contract he can avoid paying some taxes and it reduces his company’s tax base, which also decreases his obligation to pay contributions and taxes. If that is the case, then he committed budgetary fraud.
(Editor’s note: We believe Juhász to be mistaken here. A company cannot write off the purchase of a real estate from its taxable income.)
All of this is only true if it can really be proven.
If the police would investigate properly, then the pieces of the puzzle would come together quickly. Mészáros himself declared that he has God and Orbán to thank for his wealth. From this it follows that Orbán had hoped to receive benefits in return, in this case by having Mészáros purchase something worthless from Orbán’s father. My interpretation is that he bribed the prime minister. And if that is the case, then it is irrelevant whether he obtained an undue advantage or only hoped to. The intention to commit bribery is what counts. If the sole purpose of the contract was to transfer money from one company to another, then we can speak of a phony contract. That is also a crime for which they should impound the mine and launch an investigation.
Fidesz wants to retaliate by initiating an inspection into your assets.
I wish them good luck. I never came close to public money. What I have, I have my own work to thank for. So go at it!